Comments on: Saturn In Libra, Generation Ex, Tristan And Isolde, The Culmination Of Romantic Love http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365 Astrology For The Now Age Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:30:32 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Katrina http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4774 Katrina Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:10:39 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4774 No prob :) Well I guess I just make the cut at 1982! No prob :)

Well I guess I just make the cut at 1982!

]]> By: admin http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4772 admin Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:58:47 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4772 Katrina, that was really inspiring, Thanks for putting that out there. 1971 to 1983. Pluto in Libra. Katrina, that was really inspiring, Thanks for putting that out there.

1971 to 1983.

Pluto in Libra.

]]> By: Katrina http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4767 Katrina Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:38:13 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4767 I am reading this post at a pretty funny time in my life. Although my relationship is at an all time high, as we got married this weekend, yesterday alone, I found out about 5 breakups. All of them long term relationships. The most heart breaking is that of my brother and his wife. Apparently, she decided that she does not love him anymore. The whole family is reeling from this. This time makes me scared about my best-friend's 9 year relationship which has been on the fritz from the day it began. Could this be make or break time for many couples? I cannot believe this is happening. Then again, her parents split when she was young. It's funny that John mentioned Pluto and Persephone as they are archetypes that my husband and I relate to deeply. Two years into the relationship, the veil lifted. I had many decisions to make. I left him in 2007 and it was the best decision of my life. He was stronger than I thought, and I was more dependent than I thought. Our relationship has always been one of destruction and rebirth. We have always been stronger each time around. I finally decided that we were, after all, a beautiful thing, and came to peace with our relationship and who we are...I think perhaps, I have found balance...I have no doubt in my mind that we are gonna make it. PS: from what year to what year is Pluto in Libra? I am reading this post at a pretty funny time in my life. Although my relationship is at an all time high, as we got married this weekend, yesterday alone, I found out about 5 breakups. All of them long term relationships. The most heart breaking is that of my brother and his wife. Apparently, she decided that she does not love him anymore. The whole family is reeling from this. This time makes me scared about my best-friend’s 9 year relationship which has been on the fritz from the day it began. Could this be make or break time for many couples? I cannot believe this is happening. Then again, her parents split when she was young.

It’s funny that John mentioned Pluto and Persephone as they are archetypes that my husband and I relate to deeply. Two years into the relationship, the veil lifted. I had many decisions to make. I left him in 2007 and it was the best decision of my life. He was stronger than I thought, and I was more dependent than I thought. Our relationship has always been one of destruction and rebirth. We have always been stronger each time around. I finally decided that we were, after all, a beautiful thing, and came to peace with our relationship and who we are…I think perhaps, I have found balance…I have no doubt in my mind that we are gonna make it.

PS: from what year to what year is Pluto in Libra?

]]> By: Anonymous82 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4764 Anonymous82 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:51:58 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4764 Thank you so much for taking time to reply my question, it has provided wonderful insights and pointed me into the direction in which I can more deeply examine and work on myself on the level of relationships and relating to the other. :D Thank you so much for taking time to reply my question, it has provided wonderful insights and pointed me into the direction in which I can more deeply examine and work on myself on the level of relationships and relating to the other. :D

]]> By: admin http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4762 admin Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:24:57 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4762 Saturn in the 12th house is a placement that usually denotes loneliness. People with 12th house Saturn almost always feel some form of incompleteness and having a hole in their lives that needs to be filled. They can be quite capable and even have very normal relationships, but few people know their pain and the extent of it. As a result, they must retreat at times to a safer place inside themselves to renew their faith. Saturn in the 12th house usually augurs a lifetime where people need to have a direct experience of God on some level so that they can be in the world. It's a set up. No matter what happens, you're called to go deeper and it's usually by yourself. The irony with Libra is that it is so focused on the other, so you would retreat from relationships when they get too close to your issues and would pull back to find the deeper reasons, the true understanding of feeling separate and separation. During your Saturn Return, your fears of abandonment in relationship will rise to the surface. These are projections of something deeper and more archetypal, like the abandonment of God, loss of faith, etc. When you go through this phase you will be challenged to understand this at a deeper level and know that no relationship can fill the void of your heart like the pure love of the divine agency that moves through all of us. Once you begin to experience this on the inner planes, you'll begin to ease your fears of being left alone or behind and you will change the emphasis for relating to others. When this occurs, you will be free to be in relationship or not and it will be about choice versus pattern and compulsion. The beauty of it is that you can have the opportunity to also connect with someone that you can go to those deep, inner realms, together, but first, you'll need to literally, face your fears of being abandoned on all levels. Hope this helps. Saturn in the 12th house is a placement that usually denotes loneliness. People with 12th house Saturn almost always feel some form of incompleteness and having a hole in their lives that needs to be filled. They can be quite capable and even have very normal relationships, but few people know their pain and the extent of it. As a result, they must retreat at times to a safer place inside themselves to renew their faith. Saturn in the 12th house usually augurs a lifetime where people need to have a direct experience of God on some level so that they can be in the world. It’s a set up. No matter what happens, you’re called to go deeper and it’s usually by yourself. The irony with Libra is that it is so focused on the other, so you would retreat from relationships when they get too close to your issues and would pull back to find the deeper reasons, the true understanding of feeling separate and separation.

During your Saturn Return, your fears of abandonment in relationship will rise to the surface. These are projections of something deeper and more archetypal, like the abandonment of God, loss of faith, etc. When you go through this phase you will be challenged to understand this at a deeper level and know that no relationship can fill the void of your heart like the pure love of the divine agency that moves through all of us. Once you begin to experience this on the inner planes, you’ll begin to ease your fears of being left alone or behind and you will change the emphasis for relating to others. When this occurs, you will be free to be in relationship or not and it will be about choice versus pattern and compulsion. The beauty of it is that you can have the opportunity to also connect with someone that you can go to those deep, inner realms, together, but first, you’ll need to literally, face your fears of being abandoned on all levels.

Hope this helps.

]]> By: Anonymous82 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4761 Anonymous82 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:02:26 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4761 Thank you for this wonderful piece of writing, I was born in the Pluto in Libra generation and the influences of Saturn in Libra that you highlighted has helped me to understand some of the challenges that I have faced and am facing in relationships, especially in my love relationship. I do have one question, I was born with my Saturn in Libra in the 12th house as well and I was curious about how a Saturn in Libra at this time effects, would it be something like a double impact of this influence? It would be awesome if you could shed some light on my question. Many thanks again! Thank you for this wonderful piece of writing, I was born in the Pluto in Libra generation and the influences of Saturn in Libra that you highlighted has helped me to understand some of the challenges that I have faced and am facing in relationships, especially in my love relationship.
I do have one question, I was born with my Saturn in Libra in the 12th house as well and I was curious about how a Saturn in Libra at this time effects, would it be something like a double impact of this influence? It would be awesome if you could shed some light on my question. Many thanks again!

]]> By: admin http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365&cpage=1#comment-4740 admin Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:39:21 +0000 http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=1365#comment-4740 Great reply John. Your road less traveled has really paid dividends for you. The idea of the Morrois Forest is a really interesting one. Morrois as you might know is a derivation of "Morris" which is descended from St. Mauritze, who was an Egyptian soldier that defied orders to slaughter Christians. He was killed for his dereliction of duty and was eventually made a saint. He was of course dark and his name eventually morphed into Morris/Moorish so the Morrois Forest is literally "The Dark Forest." Perhaps the three-year-period alluded to in Tristan and Isolde might be more prophetic than we know. Great reply John. Your road less traveled has really paid dividends for you. The idea of the Morrois Forest is a really interesting one. Morrois as you might know is a derivation of “Morris” which is descended from St. Mauritze, who was an Egyptian soldier that defied orders to slaughter Christians. He was killed for his dereliction of duty and was eventually made a saint. He was of course dark and his name eventually morphed into Morris/Moorish so the Morrois Forest is literally “The Dark Forest.” Perhaps the three-year-period alluded to in Tristan and Isolde might be more prophetic than we know.

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